Charlie Rymer - Former Golf Channel Tour Player - Encore
This podcast episode delves into the evolving dynamics of golf, particularly focusing on the recent appointment of Keegan Bradley as captain for the Ryder Cup. We engage in a thorough discourse regarding the implications of this unexpected choice, examining Bradley's engagement with the competitive landscape of golf and assessing his potential impact on team morale and strategy. Furthermore, we reflect on the contrasting perspectives regarding the LIV Golf tour and its ramifications on traditional structures within the sport, emphasizing the necessity for adaptation amidst an era marked by significant change. Our conversation extends to personal anecdotes, including culinary experiences centered around grilling, specifically the preparation of pork butt, which serves as a metaphor for the patience and skill required both in the kitchen and on the golf course. As we navigate these multifaceted topics, we invite our listeners to consider the broader implications for the future of golf and the experiences that unite us beyond the fairways.
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Transcript
It's time for Grilling at the Green.
Speaker A:Join Jeff Tracy as he explores the golfing lifestyle and tries to keep it in the short grass for the hackers, new sweepers and turf spankers.
Speaker A:Here's Jeff.
Speaker B:Just open up the door and let's take good times and tomorrow's gonna be better than today.
Speaker C:Everybody.
Speaker C:Welcome to Grilling at the green.
Speaker C:I'm J.T.
Speaker C:and we're, as you know, part of the Golf News Network outfit there, along with other stations around the country.
Speaker C:And how's your golf game?
Speaker C:Well, just like mine, we'll just let that pass.
Speaker C:Anyway, this segment is brought to you by Painter Hills Natural Beef, Beef the way nature intended, and the Oregon Crab Commission.
Speaker C:From sea to plate, wonderful Oregon Dungeness crab.
Speaker C:If you've never had it, I recommend you get out here and try it.
Speaker C:Well, he's back.
Speaker C:One of my dear friends here on the show, Charlie Reimer, formerly known as the Big Timer.
Speaker C:Just calling Charlie.
Speaker C:And before we get into the golf stuff, I gotta ask you your pork butt.
Speaker C:Tell me about your pork butt.
Speaker B:I'll tell you about my pork butt if you'll tell me about your Dungeness crab.
Speaker B:In the south, we don't have Dungeness crab.
Speaker B:And every time I go out west side, I get some.
Speaker B:A Dungeness crab cocktail.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness, it's incredible.
Speaker B:But no, thank you for asking.
Speaker B:You know, you know, I love golf, but I really love grilling.
Speaker B:And earlier this year, I had a chance to meet some of the folks over at Weber Grills, and they kind of hooked me up with some great, great gear.
Speaker B:And my wife told me, jt, I got a problem.
Speaker B:At one point, I had five different kinds of grills sitting on my back porch.
Speaker B:And so I'm down to three now.
Speaker B:I was kind of depressed when she made me get rid of a couple, but that didn't even count the pizza oven that I've got in the garage.
Speaker B:But listen, I've got this pork butt thing figured out.
Speaker B:I love getting a great Boston, but I get it with a bone in.
Speaker B:I normally get Smithfield at a local supermarket here in the Chattanooga area where I live these days, and.
Speaker B:And I've got a new rub that I've been using.
Speaker B:Butcher's block, I think it's called.
Speaker B:I just discovered it by accident.
Speaker B:I was actually washing my car in Udawa, Tennessee, near a club I've been a member at since I was a kid.
Speaker B:And I've been by there a thousand times, and I'm, like, vacuuming my car out and I'm like, what's that?
Speaker B:And that is the sweetest smell I've ever smelled in my life.
Speaker B:And I followed my nose two blocks over and I found a gas station that had barbecue stuff in the back and I got some new wood chip sweet hickory.
Speaker B:So I, I get my, my, my pork butt, I slather it up with the cheapest yellow mustard I could find.
Speaker B:I use this new rub that I literally followed my nose to the store that carried it.
Speaker B:Sweet hickory pellets on a Weber Sear Wood 600XL is what I use.
Speaker B:And I cook it to 197 to 200, let it sit for about an hour, and I use those bear claw things to pull it.
Speaker B:And I'll tell you what, that, I kind of thought that was a gimmick and I'd always just use some forks.
Speaker B:But those bear claw things that you can kind of cross it with the grain, you get a really nice pull.
Speaker B:But, but that, the, that the, the yellow mustard and, and, and a good rub.
Speaker B:I like a rub that's got a little sweet in it, but a little kick too.
Speaker B:It creates that bark and you get that bark all mixed up and I leave the fat in it.
Speaker B:And I'll tell you what, my, my pork butt game is a plus right now.
Speaker B:I've got it down to a science.
Speaker B:Takes about 14 hours to get it where I want it and I am good to go.
Speaker C:You sent me a picture of it and I was like, yeah, he's got it, he's got it.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker C:And it's funny you say Ottawa.
Speaker C:My brother and sister in law live in Ottawa.
Speaker C:Oh, great.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And even though he kind of commutes down to, to Huntsville.
Speaker C:Yeah, but they, that's not that far.
Speaker C:And they, they have a fact they just built a new house way up on a, a ridge up there overlooking the river and where you can see Tennessee, Alabama, I think all that.
Speaker C:And yeah, you can see a little more.
Speaker B:You see North Carolina too?
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So an amazing area.
Speaker B:I'm thrilled to live here.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's, it's gorgeous there.
Speaker C:Okay, we'll talk more about barbecue and another segment coming up here, but I want to catch up with Charlie.
Speaker C:Man, since you've been on the show, there is a lot of things been happening just, just a ton of stuff in the world of golf.
Speaker C:I guess the biggest breaking story besides Nelly Cordis dog bite is Keegan Bradley being named a captain of the Ryder Cup.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:That kind of came out of the left field a little bit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I I certainly didn't see that coming.
Speaker B:And, and I'm.
Speaker B:I'm one of the few folks.
Speaker B:Listen, I'm a proud member of the PGA of America.
Speaker B:I, I don't get as fired up over the Ryder cup as some people do or some people might think that I do.
Speaker B:It's interesting to watch.
Speaker B:I think it's.
Speaker B:It's more interesting to me to watch when you get some drama like we've had, you know, year after year.
Speaker B:And it's, and it's certainly turned into more than a exhibition match, which is what it was intended to be, really, to celebrate golf.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Bitter.
Speaker B:It's competitive now.
Speaker B:A lot of people like it.
Speaker B:Kind of a soap opera kind of feel to it.
Speaker B:And, and, you know, a lot of players get fired up over it.
Speaker B:A lot of them, probably behind the scenes, are not so fired up about playing in it.
Speaker B:But it.
Speaker B:It looked to me like Tiger was probably going to be the guy to, to captain the US Squad at Bethpage, which will be an interesting venue.
Speaker B:It always is.
Speaker B:At.
Speaker B:You know, there's nothing like New York sports fans.
Speaker B:But when I saw Keegan, I'm like, that's crazy.
Speaker B:And then I thought about it for an hour and I thought it's actually pretty cool because he's probably the most engaged player in, In.
Speaker B:In Ryder cup and President's cup and has a big passion for it and, and obviously, being a PGA champion, he's well thought of.
Speaker B:Why not give it a shot?
Speaker B:And it seems like that, you know, there was kind of this juggernaut that was sailing down the ocean where it was, you know, it was kind of planned years ahead.
Speaker B:It was gonna be the vice captain, the President's cup, president of the Ryder cup, this, that and the other.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:And someone decided.
Speaker B:And we're just throwing that out the window and we're gonna start all over again.
Speaker B:And they have tried it a few times.
Speaker B:They tried it with Al Sutton.
Speaker B:It didn't work.
Speaker B:They tried it with Tom Watson.
Speaker B:It didn't work.
Speaker B:Right now they're going to try it with Keegan Bradley and, and he's closer to the guys than, than Hal Sutton when he was a captain or, or Tom Watson when he was a captain.
Speaker B:Works.
Speaker B:But it's certainly going to be something that people are talking about.
Speaker B:And, and yeah, I, I kind of like that.
Speaker B:I kind of like the controversy.
Speaker B:The older I get, the more I like mass and controversy, and this will definitely be that.
Speaker C:You gotta.
Speaker C:Gotta take the stick and poke the beehive once in a while, Charlie, you know.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, you know, to me, Keegan is one of those guys that he's normally in the mix somewhere, but he's not one of those Tiger Phil, you know, Rory kind of guys.
Speaker C:But he's got an incredible resume.
Speaker C:He's won a ton.
Speaker B:He won last year.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And he comes from a big time golf family, so to speak.
Speaker B:Amazing champion.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Captain, Solheim cup team.
Speaker B:So I'm sure he'll be relying on her quite a bit.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:Because I, and I just think that that's probably a really good deal.
Speaker C:Like you said that.
Speaker C:Yeah, they didn't see it coming.
Speaker C:It came out of, you know, somebody else's decision.
Speaker C:And I, I'm going to put on my prognosticator hat for you here, Charlie, for a second.
Speaker C:I think if this works, I think the old, you know, juggernaut, as you called it, sailing down the river or the ocean, I think that'll be gone forever.
Speaker C:I, I think if Keegan can pull this off, certainly not from lack of talent or anything, but God, they get beat up so bad in the press and all that stuff.
Speaker C:But I think if he can do that, we'll see a beginning of a changing of the guard.
Speaker C:That's just my thoughts, but you never know.
Speaker B:I'll tell you another thing.
Speaker B:Plan on Michael Jordan being involved in this.
Speaker B:Nobody loves golf as much as Michael Jordan.
Speaker B:He's one of the greatest athletes at sports ever.
Speaker B:You know, tied up a pair of shoes or cleats in any sport on the history of the world.
Speaker B:He and Keegan are tight.
Speaker B:Keegan wears the Air Jordan shoes.
Speaker B:Michael has a history of being around these teams.
Speaker B:I'm going to be surprised if Michael Jordan and playing some kind of role in the Ryder cup and yeah, just make things a little more interesting going into, into New York, you know, not too far outside the city with those fans and Michael Jordan there.
Speaker B:So it's going to be interesting.
Speaker B:There's no doubt about that.
Speaker C:Yeah, Michael will have his sh, his USA hat on.
Speaker C:Big old Stogie out there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Chewing on that, being cool.
Speaker C:Yeah, I can see that, man.
Speaker C:I can see that very easily, you.
Speaker B:Know, and us fans are gonna get behind Michael Jordan, you know that.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:If you think the rah rah thing in, in Europe is loud, go to bed, Page.
Speaker B:Well, and then the other thing is the elephant in the room, you know, Keegan said it yesterday.
Speaker B:He goes, I'm taking the best players from the United States.
Speaker B:I don't care what tour they play on.
Speaker B:And I have a lot of respect for that.
Speaker B:I don't really have what do you I'm trying to a boat in the race, I guess you might say, with PGA Tour or Live.
Speaker B:I've kind of observed it from afar, hadn't really made any public comments about it.
Speaker B:But you, you certainly could argue that, you know, the, the Ryder cup is U.S.
Speaker B:players versus European players and include live players, I think certainly makes sense, especially when you look at the record that live players are having a major championship.
Speaker B:So I would be surprised if we didn't have several live players at least represent the US in the Ryder Cup.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:Charlie and I are going to take a break.
Speaker C:We're going to be back in about two minutes with more Grilling at the Green.
Speaker C:Still, still coming at you every week.
Speaker C:We'll be right back.
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Speaker C:Welcome back to Grilling at the Green.
Speaker C:I'm J.
Speaker C:Key.
Speaker C:We got Charlie Reimer with us today.
Speaker C:Charlie, I instituted a new little segment within the show here.
Speaker C:It's called Golf Trip Travel tips.
Speaker C:Say that four times really fast.
Speaker C:So and you're a world traveler and you're well known as far as when you go to airports and stuff.
Speaker C:But sometimes that does not affect the way people treat your baggage, as you know.
Speaker C:But what would be a, a good travel tip from Charlie Reimer?
Speaker B:Well, I got to tell you, I've been lucky.
Speaker B:I figure I'm close to about 3 million miles traveled in my life and I've never had clubs broken.
Speaker B:I've had some damage done to, to my golf clubs, the golf bag, but never the actual clubs.
Speaker B:And I've never had clubs completely lost.
Speaker B:And obviously if you're investing and traveling somewhere on an airplane to play golf, you want to make sure that you got your equipment with you.
Speaker B:I would tell you invest in a very good travel cover.
Speaker B:Don't get a hard case.
Speaker B:They're too unwieldy and I don't think they protect the clubs very well.
Speaker B:But certainly invest in it.
Speaker B:I happen to use OGO branded travel equipment and it's something that is really helpful.
Speaker B:You don't want a Trip ruined because you were too cheap to spend another hundred bucks on a very good travel cover for your golf clubs.
Speaker B:And the other thing, too, is make sure you.
Speaker B:You get to the airport early.
Speaker B:I've.
Speaker B:I've been a stickler for that.
Speaker B:Folks that travel a lot kind of get in a.
Speaker B:You know, they kind of get in a mode of, hey, this is how I do it.
Speaker B:You know, so it takes the stress away.
Speaker B:If you come in, you're late, you're worried about your.
Speaker B:Your bags missing your flight, that's when you can get delayed.
Speaker B:And especially if you're going overseas, it can be two or three days before they get in.
Speaker B:But good travel cover, you get to the airport early.
Speaker B:That's something that's worked for me for nearly 3,3 million commercial miles and my career in this game.
Speaker B:Tom.
Speaker C:Yeah, and I'll tell you, we had a fellow on a couple of weeks ago, Jimmy James, and I thought he gave a good tip like yours.
Speaker C:He said, don't take the last flight out, never, because if your bags don't make it, you have.
Speaker C:It's going to be a day or two before they show up.
Speaker B:So especially, Especially in the summertime.
Speaker B:You don't want to take evening flights in the summertime because any airport in the continental US Is subject to thunderstorms in the summertime.
Speaker B:So don't.
Speaker B:Don't.
Speaker B:Last flight's no good unless you have to.
Speaker C:Yep, absolutely.
Speaker C:Okay.
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Speaker C:You know, when Bryson won.
Speaker C:Has it been a month?
Speaker C:I don't think it's been a month.
Speaker C:Has it about three weeks, I'd add.
Speaker B:A month?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Is it about three weeks?
Speaker C:You know, it was.
Speaker C:It was kind of all over the map, Charlie.
Speaker C:Of what?
Speaker C:I mean, the guy played lights out.
Speaker C:There's no doubt about that.
Speaker C:But, you know, some of the writers paid him his due like it was deserved, and other ones said he was.
Speaker C:Afterwards, he was being phony and.
Speaker C:And this and that.
Speaker C:Does golf really need that type of stuff?
Speaker B:Does it need the.
Speaker B:The kind of.
Speaker B:The kind of reaction that Bryson had after, or does it need the writers calling players phony?
Speaker C:Yeah, the latter.
Speaker C:The latter.
Speaker C:I didn't have a problem with him running around celebrating.
Speaker C:I mean, it was kind of a live deal.
Speaker B:You know, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker B:There's so much, every aspect of life really, in sports.
Speaker B:You know, it's all.
Speaker B:It's all politics, and there's so much hatred for live to her.
Speaker B:And you know, listen, some of it, some of it is good point.
Speaker B:Some of it is, is overkill.
Speaker B:And so I think a lot of times when writers or others have, you know, such animosity towards that tour, the politics behind it, international affairs, Democrat, Republican, then it's just going to spill out and it's hard to keep tucked in.
Speaker B:I've worked really hard in my career.
Speaker B:I certainly have strong beliefs both with my faith and my polit, but I keep them tucked in.
Speaker B:I feel like in my role as a golf media personality and now as an executive in the game of golf that, you know, I'm certainly entitled to my political opinions on my days off, but I separate that from business and I think a lot of folks have a hard time doing that.
Speaker B:And you know, to me, sports in general and golf in particular should kind of be a sanctuary away from the big mean world and all the crazy things that are going on inside and outside the country.
Speaker B:And so many times they get pulled to the inside and I just don't care for that.
Speaker B:And I've very much tried to stay away from it and I'll continue to do so moving forward.
Speaker C:I think that's a good policy because I'm both my shows, this show and the barbecue show, I never talk politics.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:That's like instant death in my book.
Speaker C:You know, in fact, it's not even as pleasant as instant death.
Speaker C:Kind of like getting drugged by a tractor.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a tough thing.
Speaker B:And, and I try to stay involved.
Speaker B:Not across all the social media platforms, but I've just settled on X for no particular reason other than I signed up for Twitter early on and it's difficult for me being old guy to track all the other social media platforms and some of the vitriol that's there and the, the just mean spirited hateful kind of stuff, you know, it kind of takes my breath away and I just kind of read it and pass along over it and, and you know, I wish more people could do that, but sadly we're not in a position right now where they do.
Speaker C:Yeah, and I, you know, I was looking this morning, Global Gulf Post had a thing it said coexist or compromise.
Speaker C:Well, if anybody had a wit about them, they would know that when all this stuff started it was going to end up that you'd have to come to some sort of compromise.
Speaker C:You can't take the sport, rip it apart like that and then say I'm in my corner and you're in your corner.
Speaker C:It doesn't do anybody any good.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:You know, you can be unhappy, and I will say that there's times I've been unhappy with the politics of the deal, but as far as the sport of itself, you can't just stop existing.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, well.
Speaker B:Well, let me give you an interesting example.
Speaker B:A few weeks ago, there was a live event in.
Speaker B:In Nashville, a couple hours from where I live, and at my club here on Lookout Mountain, McLemore.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I have actually several members, but I had a conversation with.
Speaker B:With two who I like, I respect, and.
Speaker B:And I'm proud that they're members of the club that I help run.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And they both live at the Grove in Nashville, which was the site of a live event.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And I spoke to one, and I said, you know, as a resident at the Grove, where you just had a live event, how was it?
Speaker B:And he lit up and he goes, you know what?
Speaker B:And he goes, I went out every day.
Speaker B:I had my friends, I had customers.
Speaker B:It quite honestly, was one of the best hospitality experiences I've ever had.
Speaker B:It's great.
Speaker B:I'm thrilled that it's at my club.
Speaker B:I can't wait for it to come back next year.
Speaker B:So a few minutes later, I saw another resident at the Grove, and I asked him about it, and he said, I hate Liv.
Speaker B:I hate that it's at my club.
Speaker B:I hate everything about it, and I will fight with tooth and nail to prevent it from ever coming back to my club.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And that kind of epitomizes, you know, a little bit about what's going on in the world of golf.
Speaker B:Both very reasonable people, successful.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They love where they live.
Speaker B:They're both good golfers, they love golf.
Speaker B:But very, very divergent opinions on what' on with Live and PGA Tour right now.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And you're running into a lot of it.
Speaker B:Some of it's generational.
Speaker B:I find that younger people are more receptive to live than older people.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And that's fine, but it's not going anywhere.
Speaker B:They're not going to invest the kind of money they even invested in.
Speaker B:In that product and.
Speaker B:And shut it down.
Speaker B:I think a lot of times people don't understand the need and how popular it is outside of the United States as well.
Speaker B:So, as you can imagine, I've got a lot of contacts in the world of golf, and normally I got a pretty good idea of where things are going to end up.
Speaker B:With PGA Tour and Live, nobody knows.
Speaker B:Nobody knows how it's going to come down, but you got two sides that are used to getting their way.
Speaker B:And you got one side with literally unlimited resources, the other side with a ton of resources.
Speaker B:It's a very interesting time that we're in right now in the world of professional golf.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:We're going to take another break.
Speaker C:I'm going to be back with Charlie Reimer right after this.
Speaker C:Don't go away.
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Speaker C:You know, that was what you're talking about in the last segment, Charlie.
Speaker C:The first year out, they had a live event here in Portland at Pumpkin Ridge.
Speaker C:I don't know the exact number, but a bunch of people resigned their membership there at Pumpkin Ridge Live.
Speaker C:Dumped in a bunch of money.
Speaker C:Pumpkin Ridge dumped in a bunch of money.
Speaker C:They had to play both courses to make it fit their deal.
Speaker C:You know, there's a private course and a public course, and they used a little of both on that, like that.
Speaker C:But then they.
Speaker C:They did all that and then they didn't come back.
Speaker C:And I don't know why nobody ever said that they didn't.
Speaker C:The guys didn't like the courses.
Speaker C:A lot of the guys played there when they were on the Korn Ferry Tour or when they played in amateur golf or college golf.
Speaker C:There was always something going on at Pumpkin Ridge.
Speaker C:So I never quite figured that out.
Speaker C:And I didn't know if it was the membership that just said no, but I think it was actually the live folks that just didn't renew it.
Speaker C:So, you know, who knows?
Speaker C:Who knows?
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm guessing there's something in the political realm that caused that.
Speaker B:Yeah, you never know.
Speaker B:It certainly could have been financially.
Speaker B:It could have been any kind of reason.
Speaker B:But yeah, there's just a, and we're used to dealing with a PGA Tour and, and it was kind of doing the same thing, the same way year after year with the same people, and it's just totally disrupted.
Speaker B:And so I, so I have a little better idea of what's going on on the PGA Tour side.
Speaker B:But live is a whole new, it's a, it's a whole new world.
Speaker B:And so, you know, like everybody else, I'm just reading what's going on in the paper.
Speaker C:Right, right.
Speaker B:Nobody I know has any clue what's going on over there.
Speaker C:I think, though, that you just touched on something that PGA Tour.
Speaker C:You know, I'm a fanatical fan.
Speaker C:You were former player on the tour.
Speaker C:You got a lot of friends that worked there.
Speaker C:But again, it was kind of the same thing year after year after year.
Speaker C:Not that it was bad.
Speaker C:It was good.
Speaker C:You got to see a lot of great golf and you got to see a lot of great golfers and you know, a lot of them had great weekends and some not so great.
Speaker C:But I think the biggest thing to me that LIV did was say we can't do it that way forever.
Speaker C:You'll lose the, you lose the, I don't know, enhancement to want to come watch.
Speaker C:I mean, if you look at like waste management under that.
Speaker C:Jesus, you can't even get into that place.
Speaker C:You know, it's, it's elbow to elbow in there to watch it.
Speaker C:But I think on some of the other tour stops, maybe like the John Deere last weekend or something, maybe it was, you know, it's time to shake it up a little bit on that.
Speaker C:That way.
Speaker B:It, it's certainly been shaken up some.
Speaker B:There is no doubt about that.
Speaker B:It, it's, and you know, listen to live is, it's a different feel.
Speaker B:I mean, I, I, I've got a very good friend, he's actually chairman of a club in the Dallas area that I'm a member of called Mary Doe.
Speaker B:And, and he's been a big supporter of golf for years and years.
Speaker B:And he attended a live event last year in Oklahoma City and just recently signed a deal to bring the, the Liv's version of the Tour Championship to Merido later this year.
Speaker B:And he's one of the last people I thought that would be interested in embracing live, but he's done that.
Speaker B:And so that's, that's on the books this year.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And one of the reasons he did it was he took his grandson to the event.
Speaker B:He played in the Pro Am.
Speaker B:He said it was a wonderful Pro Am experience.
Speaker B:They had a great party.
Speaker B:They were able to interact with all the players.
Speaker B:Every player in the field was at the pro am party with their wife, which is very unusual at PGA Tour events.
Speaker B:Generally, there's four or five players only there, and they're.
Speaker B:They're there because they have to be.
Speaker B:I'm sure the live players have to be there as well.
Speaker B:But then he attended the tournament, and he goes, I went out to my favorite hole.
Speaker B:I was there for four hours, and I saw every player in the field, and the event was over, and we went home and we just had a great experience.
Speaker B:He didn't really care for the music that much, but it is a very different experience.
Speaker B:And the tour has had to change.
Speaker B:A lot of the PGA Tours had to change a lot of the ways they conduct business and their telecasts.
Speaker B:Players are having to do more interviews on course, interviews, things that, quite honestly, they should have been doing for years that now they're doing.
Speaker B:And then the other thing is, is existing PGA Tour players.
Speaker B:I played golf today, actually, with the father of a PGA Tour player who's having a wonderful career, and we were talking about it the last two years.
Speaker B:This player has won multiple times, and he has no interest in leaving the PGA Tour, but he's probably won two or three times the amount of money that he would have won otherwise on the PGA Tour if lib does did not exist.
Speaker B:What it's done to drive the purses up on the PGA Tour is just spectacular.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So for.
Speaker B:If you're a player right now, you keep your head down, you go out and play and be grateful for what you're playing for.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:It's a lot more money than it would be by a large margin than it would be for PGA Tour players now than if Liv did not exist.
Speaker C:Right, Right.
Speaker C:Just one more about one of the players.
Speaker C:I've kind of felt sorry for Rory this last year.
Speaker C:He was adamant.
Speaker C:Spokesman, excuse me, Charlie.
Speaker C:Anti live.
Speaker C:And he kind of softened his deal.
Speaker C:Then he got off, got off the board.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And the press has hammered him, you know, and he didn't win another major and all this stuff.
Speaker C:And I mean, he's a tough kid.
Speaker C:I say he's a kid.
Speaker C:You say he's a kid.
Speaker C:Because most people are compared to us.
Speaker C:But the point is, I don't know of any player that didn't have ups and downs, but maybe they just weren't as impacted with the media as Rory is because he's kind of been the spokesman for a while and came out young and had some early success and this and that, but, you know, now it's been, what, seven years or I don't remember the number, Charlie, honestly, about.
Speaker C:Since he's won a major and it's like, give the guy a break.
Speaker C:He's still playing great golf, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, no, I, I have the same kind of sentiment.
Speaker B:I'll say this about Roy McElroy.
Speaker B:I have tremendous respect for him as a player.
Speaker B:His talent level is phenomenal.
Speaker B:I love watching him play.
Speaker B:I've been fortunate to spend a little bit of time with him every now and then, mostly in an interview setting.
Speaker B:One day, actually, I spent some, maybe a half a day with him in Boston.
Speaker B:He's intelligent, he's kind, he's thoughtful.
Speaker B:He understands that his role in, in the game has been more than just someone who tees it up and you put a check in his back pocket.
Speaker B:What the Tour did to him, I, I view as tragic.
Speaker B:They rolled him out there with, with the company line.
Speaker B:It was a total PR disaster.
Speaker B:In the meantime, they completely went around every talking point that they gave him.
Speaker B:They backed up on every single one.
Speaker B:They burned him.
Speaker B:He handled a lot better than I would have, I can tell you that.
Speaker B:He, you know, resigned from the board and said, I'm going to focus on golf.
Speaker B:I wish him all the luck in the world.
Speaker B:And, and I hope that he gets back when he's winning major championships again because clearly all of this getting involved in the politics of running the Tour and when they basically stuck knives in his back every which way they could has been a distraction from what he would have done otherwise in the world of golf.
Speaker B:It's cost him, I think, at least several major championships.
Speaker B:I hope he figures it out.
Speaker B:I hope he gets back on a winning track and I hope he stays out of the politics and I hope he continues to be a great champion and respect for the fans that he's playing in front of, in front of.
Speaker B:Let his business people handle the business part of the Tour.
Speaker B:And I hope he figures it out because golf's a better game.
Speaker B:When Roy McElroy is playing golf, smiling, embracing the fans, doing Roy McElroy things and not getting suckered in because he's extremely nice into the politics of running what has become a very nasty enterprise.
Speaker C:I, I, I'm always, how do I put this?
Speaker C:I'm always surprised that the, the tour guys will put up with some of the decision decisions can't talk today that the administrative side makes.
Speaker C:I'm just going to leave it at that.
Speaker C:But you know, like you, I read it in the papers and I do that.
Speaker C:And things you just talked about there were very evident.
Speaker C:Even if you didn't really play golf, if you weren't aware, if you just kind of followed the timeline and it's like, oh, that, that really should not stand.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:So I'll leave it at that.
Speaker C:We just got a few seconds left before we got to take a break.
Speaker C:Let's go back to your pork butt for a second.
Speaker C:How do you have any, do you have any leftovers?
Speaker B:You know what, when I get to cooking around these parks, it's kind of like sending up, you know, old time smoke signals.
Speaker B:People show up and, and you know, I'm 56 now and my, my dad loved to cook and he always had people around the house and, and I never could figure it out.
Speaker B:And, and I, I get, you know, beyond watching, you know, my kids grow and, and, and, and prosper and get through life and ups and downs and, and my grandchild now, you know, and, and my wife who's a hospice nurse, she's an angel.
Speaker B:You know, my favorite thing is to watch my family thrive and, and, but beyond that, my most favorite thing to do from a selfish standpoint is cook for people.
Speaker B:And, and when, when folks come over and they sit down and they, I just love that I'm addicted to it.
Speaker B:I don't know any other way to put it.
Speaker B:I mean, I know you're a chef and you love food, but, but I, I, I love it.
Speaker B:And so I'm always making way, way too much and, and, and, and sending it to friends or family and that sort of stuff.
Speaker B:And I just, I'd rather, rather sit on the back porch and, and cook and have it come out the way I planned and, and get it right and watch people enjoy eating it than anything I can think of.
Speaker C:Hey, here's a pro tip for you, Charlie.
Speaker C:You've given me lots of pro tips in golf.
Speaker C:Here's a pro tip for you before your next cook.
Speaker C:And maybe you already do this.
Speaker C:I go to the dollar store and I buy those, the cheap Tupperware.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I can send stuff home and the good Tupperware stays here.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But yeah, I do the same thing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And by the way, they don't have anything at the dollar store that's a dollar they need.
Speaker C:Not anymore.
Speaker B:$10 store.
Speaker B:But yeah, I do the same thing and I love packing it up and sending it out with them.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:And it's, and it's, and I'll even put on ice for them, too, so.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Charlie and I are going to take a break.
Speaker C:We're going to come back, wrap up the show, and Charlie's going to stick around for after hours.
Speaker C:So stay with us, everybody.
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Speaker C:Welcome back to grilling.
Speaker C:It's green.
Speaker C:We'd like to thank Charlie Reimer for being with us today.
Speaker C:We also like to thank hammer stall knives and heritage cookware.
Speaker C:They support us not only on this show, but the barbecue show.
Speaker C:So what, why did you move from Myrtle Beach?
Speaker C:Did you take a job there at mclemar or they.
Speaker B:I, I did, actually.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the last five and a half years, I've, I've represented about 70 golf courses in Myrtle beach through the, the tourism folks there.
Speaker B:And, and I've done work for that group on and off for over 20 years now.
Speaker B:I grew up in South Carolina and they, they hired me from Golf Channel and, and so we made our home there, which was easy to do because I'd spent a lot of time there and that wasn't a full time job.
Speaker B:JT and, and while I was doing that, I started spending time at an amazing resort that's on Lookout Mountain, very near Chattanooga, Tennessee, near the area where I was born, which was Cleveland, Tennessee.
Speaker B:And my family is all in this area, by the way.
Speaker B:And so we became a property owner and an investor here in, in this property, McLemore.
Speaker B:And I just got more and more engaged with the ownership and one night they decided to hire me to be the executive vice president.
Speaker B:That was an interesting night because I really wasn't looking for a job, but they did that.
Speaker B:And so now I'm thrilled to be a part of an amazing organization.
Speaker B:I look over golf, I help with sales and investor relations and a few other departments as well.
Speaker B:And we've got one golf course, our Highlands course here at Macklemore that's been Rated in top 100 by Golf Digest on the courses you can play list.
Speaker B:May 2, we opened up a brand new hotel.
Speaker B:It's the Cloudland.
Speaker B:It's a Hilton curio collection and it is absolutely spectacular.
Speaker B:And talk about restaurants.
Speaker B:We are fine dining there is called all the Lions.
Speaker B:It's programmed by a Michelin star chef.
Speaker B:And we feature dry aged prime beef.
Speaker B:It's French with a little Scottish flair.
Speaker B:And our goal is to make that a top 50 restaurant in the country and we might just pull it off.
Speaker B:And then the other thing, J.T.
Speaker B:we're working on our second golf course.
Speaker B:It's under construction right now and grow in.
Speaker B:We'll be playing golf there later this year.
Speaker B:It's called the Keep.
Speaker B:And I, I'm thoroughly convinced it'll debut in the top 40 in the country.
Speaker B:It's absolutely spectacular.
Speaker B:You got 50 to 70 mile views from every single hole on this golf course.
Speaker B:We got a mile and a half of cliff edge, is walkable.
Speaker B:We'll have a caddy program, no houses on the golf course.
Speaker B:And it's really going to rock the east coast world of golf.
Speaker B:And maybe beyond that.
Speaker B:I can't wait to get that golf course open.
Speaker B:So I live here on property now and as I mentioned, I'm an executive vice president.
Speaker B:It's where it all started for me, being born in this area, got great friends and friendships and I still will do some things from Myrtle beach from time to time.
Speaker B:I'm thrilled to continue that relationship on a smaller scale.
Speaker B:But I'm here at McLemore and absolutely love it.
Speaker C:You actually have to go to the office every day.
Speaker B:You know, I have an office.
Speaker B:They sometimes ask me to go to the office, but I have a lot of like, dental appointments and doctors appointments and a lot of orange theory classes I have to go to.
Speaker B:So I try to stay out of the office.
Speaker B:My office is this golf course, I can assure you that.
Speaker B:And, and yeah, they, they put me in an office sometimes.
Speaker B:I got a, you know, a fancy computer down there and everything.
Speaker B:My office is actually downtown Chattanooga, which is lovely, but I like staying here on property up on top of the mountain, especially this time of year.
Speaker B:We got a little altitude here, so we run about 8 degrees cooler than Chattanooga or Atlanta because of the altitude.
Speaker B:And, and I don't much care for the heat.
Speaker B:I like being up.
Speaker B:Our tagline here is above the clouds because we do have a lot of temperature inversions where the clouds settle down below us.
Speaker B:And it's just an amazing place.
Speaker B:And we, when we have those days, we're literally above the clouds.
Speaker B:So I could either go to my office in Chattanooga or hang out above the clouds.
Speaker B:What would you do, J.T.
Speaker C:Oh, I'd do exactly what you're doing.
Speaker C:You know, And I would be able to, depending on who was on my phone, hit the forward to voicemail button within 1.2 seconds type thing.
Speaker B:Right, exactly.
Speaker C:Land speed.
Speaker C:Record that, Charlie.
Speaker C:Well, that's cool.
Speaker C:I, you know, I had not been in that area before last fall.
Speaker C:I was up there.
Speaker C:We went up to the Jack in Lynchburg and I did a broadcast from there and then went back to Chattanooga where my in laws live.
Speaker C:Ottawa, as you said.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And so I got some, got a tour around the area.
Speaker C:Saw the Peyton Manning course at the bottom of the hill there.
Speaker C:Peyton's got Sweden's Cove.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:That's where they live up on the hill there.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, I see Peyton, quite frankly, I spent some time with him last week.
Speaker B:Oh, good.
Speaker C:Yeah, so I, I, like I said, I had never been.
Speaker C:I'd been to Tennessee.
Speaker C:I'd been, of course, my work.
Speaker C:I'd been to Nashville a lot.
Speaker C:I've been a lot of.
Speaker C:Spent a lot of time in Kentucky.
Speaker C:I spent a lot of time in Georgia, a lot of time in Virginia, but that one corner there of Tennessee I'd never been in.
Speaker C:And I love.
Speaker B:Let's get you here to do a show.
Speaker B:I'd love to have you here.
Speaker B:This is your official invitation.
Speaker B:We'd love to have you guys come here, hang out with us a few days and, and let's do a show from, from Macklemore.
Speaker B:You're, you're, you might not leave.
Speaker B:That's what happened to me.
Speaker C:You know, my, I gotta tell you something, Charlie.
Speaker C:Even listeners probably won't care about this.
Speaker C:When we were back there, I was, I loved it.
Speaker C:My wife was like, how soon can we get the cat shipped here?
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:That type of thing.
Speaker C:And I was like, well, we, we got some other commitments we have to fulfill first.
Speaker C:But she's gonna, she's about a year away from fully retiring.
Speaker C:She retired once and then she went back to work.
Speaker C:They called her back in, you know, because they.
Speaker C:Evidently nobody could do what she did.
Speaker C:But anyway, so she went back to work.
Speaker C:In fact, it started this week.
Speaker C:But I, I'll give her about a year and then she's going to start looking at me going, I want to go, I want to go.
Speaker C:So, so you might be honest.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, we'll do that.
Speaker C:Thank you, Charlie.
Speaker C:And you got a website or anything that people can look up McLemore on?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:On the web, it's the mclemore.com themacklemore.com you can find information about the, the golf, the resort, real estate, all that we have to offer.
Speaker B:The other website through Hilton, where Hilton property is staycloudland.com that's the name of our hotel, Cloudland.
Speaker B:And again, that's a Hilton curio collection.
Speaker B:You can also get to it wherever you book your stays with Hilton.
Speaker B:But it's a hotel that's.
Speaker B:It's breathtaking.
Speaker B:It's right on the edge of a cliff, and it is absolutely spectacular.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:It's not fair for me to tell people.
Speaker B:You got to see it, to believe it, Macklemore.
Speaker B:You got to be here and feel it, to believe it.
Speaker B:It's really something special.
Speaker B:And we're taking a lot of people by surprise.
Speaker C:I bet you are.
Speaker C:Charlie Reimer, big timer.
Speaker C:Charlie's gonna stick around, like I said, for after hours.
Speaker C:But that's gonna wrap it up for us this week on the radio portion of the show.
Speaker C:We thank you for listening, everybody.
Speaker C:Go out there, play some golf, have some fun.
Speaker C:And most important, be kind.
Speaker C:Take care, everybody.
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