Nicole Hage, Golf Forever
This podcast episode features a comprehensive conversation with Nicole Hage, who possesses a rich background in both professional golf and business development. Nicole shares her journey from competing on the LPGA Tour to her current role at Golf Forever, emphasizing the importance of fitness and mobility in enhancing a golfer's performance. We delve into the nuances that differentiate amateur and professional golfers, particularly regarding course management and emotional resilience. Nicole articulates the significance of understanding one’s physical capabilities to optimize the golf swing, thereby debunking common misconceptions about training aids. This dialogue serves as a profound exploration of the intersection between sport, health, and personal growth in the golfing community.
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Transcript
It's time for Grilling at the Green.
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Speaker A:It's really my pleasure today to welcome Nicole Hage.
Speaker A:Nicole is the business development.
Speaker A:Business development manager.
Speaker A:Can't talk for golf forever, but before that, Nicole played on the tour, the LPGA Tour.
Speaker A:She's played in junior golf events when she was younger.
Speaker A:She's got quite a lengthy history in golf, and it's just really a pleasure to have her.
Speaker A:Nicole, welcome.
Speaker B:Thanks for having me.
Speaker A:No problem.
Speaker A:Little historical info for the.
Speaker A:For the listeners and the viewers.
Speaker A:You used to tag along with your dad to the driving range when you were a toddler, so to speak, and through fits, as I.
Speaker A:When you didn't get to go, Is that correct?
Speaker B:Yes, yes, through major fits.
Speaker B:Apparently, my parents said if he tried to sneak out without me.
Speaker B:So I started going to the range pretty regularly with my dad when I was about three.
Speaker A:When did you know you had a.
Speaker A:A real aptitude or when did, like, your parents or your instructors know that you had a real aptitude for, you know, the game and, you know, sending it, so to speak, out there?
Speaker B:When I was seven, my dad took me to my first LPGA event in Tampa, and I was hooked after that.
Speaker B:So I guess at that age, I told my dad, this is what I want to do.
Speaker B:And my dad, actually, he was a professional athlete himself.
Speaker B:He played baseball for the Pirates, Yankees, and Blue Jays.
Speaker B:Made it to AAA with the Yankees.
Speaker B:So he obviously knew what it took to become a professional athlete and obviously was playing golf himself.
Speaker B:So kind of just figured it out on getting me into junior tournaments and taking lessons pretty regularly.
Speaker B:And then the guidance from my instructors helped us figure out where there were junior golf tournaments and kind of how to get me into, you know, the competition side of things.
Speaker A:You know, I think that's something that people nowadays, I think they're getting more of a grasp of it.
Speaker A:But for years, you'd be out there on the course and like, in my case, there'd be some guy that could just pommel it off the tee, right?
Speaker A:And, you know, Maybe they were single digits, whatever.
Speaker A:And their friends would say, you know, you really should play professionally and all that.
Speaker A:To me, that's part of it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:The other part is managing yourself, knowing how to compete, knowing how to actually quote, unquote, play the game.
Speaker A:And I think a lot of people don't comprehend that.
Speaker A:They do.
Speaker A:If they actually try, they get a lesson pretty quick.
Speaker A:But I wanted to get your take on that.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:People think, oh, I hit it super far and I played great with my buddies, so, like, yeah, I can play on tour.
Speaker B:It looks, you know, it's so easy and these pros don't have it hard.
Speaker B:But it's the, the difference, I always say, between, like, amateur golf and professional golf is course management and the strategy of the game, which I don't think a lot of people think of.
Speaker B:They don't think on the tee box.
Speaker B:Let me get my pin sheet out and see where the pin is, because that's going to affect.
Speaker B:Am I going to tee up on the left side of the green or, or the tee box or the right side of the tee box as strategy.
Speaker B:So little things like that that I just don't think the average golfer really has, like, behind the scenes of understanding that.
Speaker B:But I would say the main difference is obviously short game and, and getting the ball to the.
Speaker B:In that hole in the least amount of strokes.
Speaker B:And I always find it funny, too, when people are like, oh, you know, they played a short golf course and it doesn't matter if the whole field played from the red tees who got the ball in the hole, and the least amount of broke.
Speaker B:So it really doesn't matter.
Speaker B:And that, I guess, is the kind of beauty of golf is everyone is on a level playing field for the most part.
Speaker B:Obviously you can get put into not the greatest wave, AM or pm, but you're.
Speaker B:You're playing the same course, you're playing the same pin positions, but it really is who gets the ball in the quickest and least amount of strokes.
Speaker B:But that comes down to strategy and really short game.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think in my time, I think the number one strategic player was Tiger.
Speaker A:That's just mine because, you know, he pulled off some fabulous shots, of course, millions of them, but he was very methodical in the way he played.
Speaker A:And of course, Jack was.
Speaker A:And, you know, I think Nelly Corda is.
Speaker A:And people like that.
Speaker A:But most people just stand up there and whack it.
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker B:When you say those names, the first thing that comes to my mind is just unfaced.
Speaker B:They also that is the other difference between an amateur and a professional is your emotions.
Speaker B:And I feel like the best players in the world just are completely unfazed.
Speaker B:I mean, let's be real, Tiger hit the ball kind of everywhere.
Speaker A:Yeah, he did.
Speaker B:He hit the ball everywhere.
Speaker B:But you wouldn't know that.
Speaker B:I mean, and the cool thing is his greatest shots.
Speaker B:When you look at a greatest shot reel of Tiger, like the most insane punch shots and over the trees or weaving it between something like he was all over the place, but you never knew that he, he was in such control of his emotions.
Speaker B:I think that's what Scotty does.
Speaker B:And it's funny, everyone thinks, oh, Scotty is such a boring player.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:He is in the sense of he hits it pretty straight and online compared to Tiger.
Speaker B:So he's not going to have these like crazy shots.
Speaker B:But even when he does hit a bad shot, he's unfazed.
Speaker B:You really don't know what Scotty's doing out there because he's just how he is if he's playing good or playing bad.
Speaker B:And I think that's just such an important piece that a lot of golfers, they, myself included, get their feelings hurt pretty easily.
Speaker B:And you can't.
Speaker B:You just have to move on to the next shot and have a really short term memory.
Speaker A:Yeah, I always thought you could put two elephants in a Buick in the middle of the fairway for Tiger and he'd figure out how to get around it, you know, absolutely like that.
Speaker A:How long did you play on the tour?
Speaker A:I know you, you went back and forth to Q school and you.
Speaker A:And you got some invitations and things like that.
Speaker A:Give us a thumbnail of.
Speaker A:Because we're going to talk about the end of your career next segment.
Speaker A:But how did you get there?
Speaker B:So I went to school.
Speaker B: ed and so graduated in May of: Speaker B:So you know how to get ready for first stage, second stage, and then final stage.
Speaker B:Well, actually back then it was first stage and then you kind of had another opportunity if you didn't get through there to first stage.
Speaker B:So I went from first stage to final stage and then finished in the top, I think top 10.
Speaker B:You had.
Speaker B:You could finish in the top.
Speaker B:I think it was top 20 at the time.
Speaker B:It's changed a lot since I played.
Speaker B:But yeah, that's how I, I got on.
Speaker B:So in 08 was my rookie season and unfortunately for the O8ers that's when like the market crashed and we went from having 30, I think it was like 36 tournaments to having full status.
Speaker B:I got into 10 tournaments and qualified for the Women's Open.
Speaker B:So I played in 11 events my first year on tour.
Speaker B:And that's hard.
Speaker B:I mean, I played more in college and in junior golf.
Speaker B:So it was the 8ers are definitely a difficult rookie class.
Speaker B:I'm trying to think of anybody that is still out there now.
Speaker B:Yanni Singh is making a comeback and just won recently, but she was part of that class.
Speaker B:But yeah, it was a tough, tough year to be a rookie.
Speaker B: And then I played till: Speaker B:My last event was the British Open at St. Andrews.
Speaker A:That's a good place to wrap up your career.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was not bad.
Speaker A:No, it's all good.
Speaker A:We're talking with Nicole Hage here from Golf Forever, but she also played on tour and she's got a lot of golf business experience.
Speaker A:She's only 14, so she's really done an amazing thing with her life.
Speaker A:Anyway, Nicole and I will be back in just a minute.
Speaker A:Please stay with us.
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Speaker A:I'm J.T.
Speaker A:we've got Nicole Hage with us from Golf Forever today.
Speaker A:Nicole spent what, eight years on tour?
Speaker B:Six years.
Speaker B:Six years on Tour, Yes.
Speaker A:Math, never one of my strong points.
Speaker A:Nicole, when you finally decided to go do something else, those are tough decisions because they're life altering decisions.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Very scary decisions.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I have found in my life when I made those decisions, shortly after that, there's like a big what do you want to say?
Speaker A:Weight lifted off your shoulders.
Speaker A:At first it's pretty, but after you get going, it works out pretty good, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was really scary.
Speaker B:Obviously.
Speaker B:I had been playing golf since I was three Competing since I was seven, being told every day that, just focus on your golf.
Speaker B:Focus on golf, focus on golf.
Speaker B:You're going to be Julie Angster and Nancy Lopez one day.
Speaker B:And never one time did I ever think of, what am I going to do after golf.
Speaker B:I truly thought I was going to be out there until I was 50 or 60.
Speaker B:And thinking back, I think that's so funny because that's a real long career.
Speaker B:So, yeah, it was scary.
Speaker B:But I'm a realist, you know, I. I handle constructive criticism very well and.
Speaker B:But just me knowing that, what it took to.
Speaker B:That what I was putting into it and not seeing the results, just the math, wasn't mathing for me.
Speaker A:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker B:I was 27 at the time and.
Speaker B:Or 28.
Speaker B:27, 28.
Speaker B:And realized I've never had any real work experience.
Speaker B:And did I want to keep trying for a few more years and then it be 34, 35 with no true work experience?
Speaker B:No, I didn't want to.
Speaker B:And I knew that I had other, I guess, strengths.
Speaker B:You know, I was very personable, big on relationships, was definitely not a top player, but was logoed and sponsored like one because of the relationships that I made during pro ams and just obviously being around people in business.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:And knew that I enjoyed selling stuff, like just sales, because it was competitive.
Speaker B:I had to get to a goal.
Speaker B:So realizing that and realizing that I could still be in golf, I didn't really want to, but I was like, I have to use golf right now to get to my ultimate goal of just getting out of it kind of thing.
Speaker B:But then obviously, once I was with my first job, realizing that my PhD is in golf, and it would be really, really sad to not just walk away from the game, but then totally walk away from the industry and not use all of the connections and experience that I had, that truly would have been bad and.
Speaker B:And a complete of things.
Speaker B:So, Yeah, I.
Speaker B: In: Speaker B:We'd go three months without a tournament on tour kind of thing.
Speaker B:So I just woke up one morning and I was getting ready to go practice and I was like, I just don't want to.
Speaker B:And that was the first time ever in my life that I realized I didn't want to go practice.
Speaker B:And that was.
Speaker B:That was all I needed to know was there.
Speaker B:You can't half ass it out there.
Speaker B:You can't be like, I'm going to kind of play on tour and kind of practice.
Speaker B:Like you have to give it your all and you have to want to be passionate about it every day.
Speaker B:And I knew when that day came that I didn't want to practice that day, that I needed to, I needed to stop.
Speaker B:Only to be fair to myself, but also to my sponsors.
Speaker B:I mean, they would have still, I had such amazing sponsors.
Speaker B:They still probably would have been sponsoring me to the day, but that just wouldn't have been fair because I would.
Speaker B:Wasn't going to my heart at that time.
Speaker B:My feelings had been hurt way too bad.
Speaker B:So I was checked out.
Speaker A:You know, it's interesting too, is that I think in all professional sports, but in golf in particular, because you and I are involved in it, men or women come off their respective tours and the first thing they think about, and I've talked to a bunch of them, that maybe I'll be a golf analyst on, on tv.
Speaker A:There's not that many jobs.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:There's a handful.
Speaker B:You think that?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And I was definitely in that bucket of thinking my death sentence was going to be I'm stuck on a range teaching for 12 hours a day.
Speaker B:Like in my head.
Speaker B:That's all I thought was potential for me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think that now they are.
Speaker A:Maybe you're one that actually kind of helped set the model for this that you went into the actual business.
Speaker A:You weren't a, you weren't a club pro and you weren't a rep for, you know, some third tier line of golf balls.
Speaker A:You know, you, you work yourself up through the business.
Speaker A:And I think if, if people coming off the tours or any professional change, if they look at all of the avenues, it's a big world out there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you could still be involved in golf and feel good about it and get a paycheck every two weeks, but not be controlled by a score, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Self worth be tied to the score.
Speaker B:And for me, that was my issue.
Speaker B:It wasn't a talent, it wasn't an effort issue.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:I couldn't separate Nicole and Nicole the golfer.
Speaker B:And if I played bad golf, I was a bad person in my head.
Speaker B:And we paid a lot of money for sports psychology and all that to try and break that habit.
Speaker B:And I just couldn't separate the two.
Speaker B:And I mean, my self worth was just tied to my score and that's just too much, that's too much weight and it made things just not fun and enjoyable anymore.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:But yeah, I mean, I had no clue that the golf industry, literally anything, anything, any industry, there's a category in golf, whether it's content marketing, accounting, finance, teaching, it's sky's the limit, really, for.
Speaker B:For being in the golf industry.
Speaker B:And yeah, I think in the last few years, things have changed a lot with just awareness of that and also just more support for players.
Speaker B:There's companies out there.
Speaker B:My former assistant coach at Auburn, Courtney Trimble, realized really fast.
Speaker B:And I mean, she knew my story.
Speaker B:There's actually a funny story Bethan Baldry wrote in Golf Week about my first job interview.
Speaker B:And I showed up in like 6 inch heels and ready for like a Pro Am party.
Speaker B:And before the mentor, at the time she was with Club Corp, she was a VP at Club Corp. Kathy o' Neill called me before I even got downstairs from the interview and was like, honey, what are you wearing?
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, I look so cute.
Speaker B:And just.
Speaker B:You don't know.
Speaker B:You don't know.
Speaker B:And I. I never had interviewed for anything before, and I. I thought being dressed up like I would for Pro Am would be appropriate, and it was not.
Speaker B:But Courtney started a company called For Hire and that supports women making the transition from golf to the business world and educating them on how to interview and just putting people like myself.
Speaker B:She's got panels and mentors that, like alumni, I guess, that, that kind of pay it forward and, and show these girls that you could still be in golf and be really successful and not have to try and grind it out at q school for 10 years trying to make it on tour.
Speaker B:And then that whole, like you could see, still be really successful and happy in life and.
Speaker B:And have a great career in golf.
Speaker B:So there's a lot more resources out there that the tour and colleges are providing to.
Speaker B:To educate players that there is life after competition and you could still compete, keep your amateur status.
Speaker B:I mean, there's just.
Speaker B:There's so many things to keep you still in golf if that's what you really want to do.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:We're going to take a break, and Nicole and I will be back here on Grilling at the Green in just a couple minutes.
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Speaker A:Before we started recording today, I was telling you a bit about myself.
Speaker A:One more replacement and I will be the $6 million man, I'll put it that way.
Speaker A:But I'm running out of hinges to replace.
Speaker A:So one of the things that intrigued me about this, I saw the ads with Scotty and Justin Leonard and all that, and that's all good.
Speaker A:But when you've got somebody that's over the age of 55, and I'm being very generous to myself saying, nicole, it's just a number.
Speaker A:It's just a number.
Speaker A:But also, depending on your life experiences, your body may not cooperate a hundred percent with things.
Speaker A:As we were talking, you see a lot of golf fitness and training videos, or you can go to your local gym and there's usually somebody like, there is where I live that will help you, but sometimes you just can't do it.
Speaker A:Even if your heart says, we gotta do it.
Speaker A:And the old athlete in you says, you can do this, Jeff.
Speaker A:And you get there, and pretty soon it goes, hey, that's it.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Because it's just not.
Speaker A:Certain things happen when you get older.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And, yeah.
Speaker A:And, you know, this isn't talking to this anymore.
Speaker A:They went on strike or they got divorced 50 years ago.
Speaker A:You know, they're not speaking.
Speaker B:And then throw in the unorthodox moves of the golf swing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, I think Ferry said it best one time, I think he was talking about Jim Fury when he said it looks like an octopus falling out of a tree.
Speaker A:So I saw.
Speaker A:I saw the Golf Forever package.
Speaker A:I looked it up.
Speaker A:I did some stuff.
Speaker A:I contacted Mia west, who works with you, and she sent me one.
Speaker A:And I'm starting.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I didn't jump right in.
Speaker A:I'm kind of starting slow.
Speaker A:First of all, what brought you to a company like Golf Forever?
Speaker A:Because when I get the sense from you, not only are you're very sharp and you're very good at what you do, but you also have to believe in what you do.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's actually kind of funny.
Speaker B:Obviously, Covid happened prior to that.
Speaker B:I was at Trump National Doral doing golf sales.
Speaker B:My background is more in the tournament events and fundraising side of things.
Speaker B:So I was in charge of booking golf tournaments and charity events.
Speaker B:And then Covid hit, and it was just basically survival for a couple years until things got back to normal and I was working at a hotel as a assistant general manager for two hotels.
Speaker B:And that was interesting, but obviously, again, survival, you had to do what you had to do to pay the bill.
Speaker A:I understand.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it was great because I learned so much just about operations.
Speaker B:It wasn't really a sales thing, it was operations, and it just applies to everything.
Speaker B:So it definitely helped me become even a better salesperson.
Speaker B:When you understand operations, I believe it helps you understand selling a product and making sure you can actually sell what you're telling people you're going to sell.
Speaker B:A lot of people promise the world and then they're like, actually, we can't do all that.
Speaker B:So it definitely helped me grow in my profession.
Speaker B:But I.
Speaker B:Obviously, that's not what I wanted to continue to do.
Speaker B:And I was patiently waiting.
Speaker B:I'm a big person on LinkedIn.
Speaker B:I believe in LinkedIn a lot for networking, but also for opportunities, and just had every job alert engulfing, you can imagine set.
Speaker B:And this sales manager role popped up for this tech company called Golf Forever.
Speaker B:I looked it up, I said, oh, great, another training aid.
Speaker B:Just what the golf world needs, another stick in a band.
Speaker B:And I applied for it because I thought, yeah, I was just applying for everything at that point.
Speaker B:And I got an email back like 3 hours later from one of the people at the company, and they're like, are you a real person?
Speaker B:And I was like, yes, I am.
Speaker B:They're like, you're back.
Speaker B:Background is absolutely, like, perfect for what we're looking for.
Speaker B:And that kind of started the process.
Speaker B:And they explained to me what it was.
Speaker B:There was an app and this fitness.
Speaker B:But still in my head, being a golfer and speaking only golf language, basically, I thought, again, great, another training aid.
Speaker B:But I could sell it.
Speaker B:This doesn't seem like a bad thing, and there's some movements to do with it, but I didn't really get the fitness side of things, quite honestly.
Speaker B:For the first year, I was just selling this really cool product that, you know, it's a really nice device and it's really high quality of all the other training aids and gizmos that I have.
Speaker B:But I thought, this is cool.
Speaker B:Instead of using your driver to, like, stretch and, like, put pressure on the shaft, which you shouldn't be doing, you know, this this is definitely a cool solution.
Speaker B:You can attach to the golf cart and you can kind of get your body moving a little bit.
Speaker B:But I really did not do the company justice my first year until I was at the college coaches convention in Vegas with Scotty's trainer, Dr.
Speaker B:Troy.
Speaker B:He was asked to speak, and I sat there and listened to him in that front row.
Speaker B:And it hit me just right in the face of just my whole philosophy on golf training and fitness changed in that moment.
Speaker B:And obviously my understanding of what our mission truly was, because Dr.
Speaker B:Troy speaks doctor, but he also speaks golf.
Speaker B:And I, I guess for me, like, he just, he dumbed it down in a way that, like, just made me truly understand.
Speaker B:It doesn't matter how many golf balls you hit.
Speaker B:It doesn't matter what driver you have in the bag.
Speaker B:If your body can't do what it needs to do for the golf swing because it's not strong enough to hold the positions, repetition will not.
Speaker B:Muscle memory won't happen.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And that just clicked for me.
Speaker B:And I know it sounds like, oh, it's pretty easy, but when I was.
Speaker B:I was being told this by our founder because he's a chiropractor and he's a doctor, and he's talking, you know, doctor terms for me, and I'm just, I'm a golfer.
Speaker B:Like, I'm talking.
Speaker B:Talk to me.
Speaker B:Dumb it down for me.
Speaker B:And so it just kept going, like, over my head of really what our purpose was, where I was so high on the swing trainer system and not really paying attention to the value of the app.
Speaker B:The app is what is our.
Speaker B:Our bread and butter.
Speaker B:And that is so much more important than any gizmo and gadget.
Speaker B:That app gives you a specific workout program that's focused on your weaknesses.
Speaker B:So we may have similar weaknesses, but it's just like the golf swing.
Speaker B:Everyone has their own fingerprint, everybody has their own weaknesses in their body.
Speaker B:But what our program focuses on, with increasing your flexibility, your mobility, your balance, your core strength, and your lower back strength.
Speaker B:Those.
Speaker B:Once those things are strong, then you're going to see the results that you want to see in your golf swing because you're going to be able to accomplish the things that you've been.
Speaker B:You've probably been going to lessons and doing the same stuff with your instructor, and I guarantee you they're exhausted telling you the same things on over and over again.
Speaker B:And this whole time, it may not have been a lack of effort.
Speaker B:I mean, most of the time it is.
Speaker B:People don't hit enough golf balls.
Speaker B:But majority of the time is they can't hold the positions that you need to, to get the lag in your swing to generate more clubhead speed which will equal more distance.
Speaker B:And the club manufacturers are not going to want to hear this, but it doesn't matter what driver you have.
Speaker B:I joked with my dad and said you should be hitting the ball 80 yards further because you bought the last four new drivers that came out the last four years and you're not.
Speaker B:And he's like, yeah, you're right.
Speaker B:And I'm like, you have to unlock.
Speaker B:I mean my dad, like I said, he was a former athlete and played baseball and football and has a ton of football injuries that never healed properly.
Speaker B:So he thinks he's John Daly at his top, like at the backswing, like he thinks his hands are like at 2 o' clock and on a good day he's maybe at 10 o'.
Speaker B:Clock.
Speaker B:So he has very limited mobility.
Speaker B: o' clock to: Speaker B:You can hit all the balls in the world.
Speaker B:It won't make any difference if your body can't hold those.
Speaker B:Hold those.
Speaker A:Well, I can tell you I've got the, the perfect storm, okay.
Speaker A:In, in my repair work, I've got two new knees and I had a tiger esque back surgery.
Speaker A:I've got two rods in the bottom of my back from riding horses all those years and getting damaged and just through repetition, just like everything, if you do something long enough in one spot, it's, it could and it's going to wear out.
Speaker A:But I'm finding that little by little, like you were just explaining with your dad.
Speaker A:Now I've only had this thing a week, 10 days and I haven't even put the app on.
Speaker A:I do it in my office and I watch the videos and the other thing I was going to tell you, you can also hook it up to a stationary bike.
Speaker A:It works really good.
Speaker B:I always joke.
Speaker B:I mean you could be homeless living out of your car and do it.
Speaker B:You can hook it up to the little hatch when you open the door.
Speaker B:There's that hatch right there.
Speaker B:You can clip the clip there or right in the back of your trunk.
Speaker B:You literally could do this anywhere.
Speaker B:Other than no glass doors.
Speaker B:You don't attach it to a glass door.
Speaker A:No, no, no.
Speaker B:Bad, bad, bad, bad idea.
Speaker B:But a fence, a balcony, a post, anything that's like stable, not going anywhere.
Speaker B:A stationary Bike, a weight machine, all of those things are.
Speaker B:You can literally just loop the band right around it and do your workouts.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And so like I was saying, and we got to take another break, Nicole.
Speaker A:But little by little, and when you've, I'm not trying to be self aggrandizing here, but when you've been so stiff for so long after the surgeries take a hold and you're doing that, you feel great because you're not having the sciatic pain or whatever you had.
Speaker A:But little by little, you, you, as Faldo always said, it's fractions and that's what's happening.
Speaker B:Fractures, you kind of harden up after like that.
Speaker B:And yeah, you need to kind of loosen your body and get that and that movement back because they've been stabilized by rods and titanium.
Speaker A:Yep, yep.
Speaker A:I love airports.
Speaker A:Anyway, we're gonna, Nicole and I are gonna take a break and we're gonna be back to wrap up the show.
Speaker A:You're listening to Grilling at the Green on all the pod platforms and Golf newsnet and a few radio stations.
Speaker A:And in the goodness of your heart, we'll be right back.
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Speaker A:Today we've got Nicole Hage from Golf Forever X Touring Pro business Wizard.
Speaker A:And what you were saying in the last segment, they had to dumb it down for you.
Speaker A:I don't think anybody ever had to dumb too much down for you, Nicole.
Speaker A:Like that.
Speaker A:You also made the comment one more stick with bands on it.
Speaker A:And we see so many and I think well intentioned, you know, golf training devices, helpers, whatever you have.
Speaker A:The main thing is though, what happens 99% of the time, people don't use it.
Speaker A:They get them and they use it for a few days and then they get busy or they lose interest or it's not this or they hurt themselves.
Speaker A:They hurt themselves or it's not Instant gratification for seeing results.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But I think if you do the.
Speaker A:The program.
Speaker A:So what I'm trying to say, and stick with it, it's not that hard to do.
Speaker A:It doesn't take up that much time.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:And if you really want to improve your body, you know, you're not going to get it.
Speaker A:This is one of those things where you go out there and you do this or you're going to lose £25 in six hours.
Speaker A:You know, type thing that.
Speaker A:That's not what this is for.
Speaker A:So the, the chiropractor who invented this, why did he do this?
Speaker A:We've got.
Speaker A:We've got about six minutes left, but we'll pick it up after.
Speaker B:Jeremy was in Aspen and he had a clinic in Aspen and it was one that didn't accept, like, insurance.
Speaker B:So it was kind of.
Speaker B:I mean, it catered more to the elite.
Speaker B:It was a last resort kind of place.
Speaker B:And Jeremy has more of a holistic approach.
Speaker B:Instead of, here's some pain pills and let's get you some back surgery, let's see if we can heal you without all that.
Speaker B:And you can do that with literally just the few items that you have at home.
Speaker B:A Bosu ball, a towel.
Speaker B:And he wanted to, he saw like that the people that were coming in and following his protocols were coming in and getting better fairly quickly, where they were told, you're going to need all these back surgeries and rods and screws in your back.
Speaker B:And he was curing them.
Speaker B:And he wanted to, you know, not everyone can get out to Aspen and spend, you know, a couple of weeks with Dr. Jeremy at his clinic at the time.
Speaker B:So he wanted to provide something that can get out to the masses.
Speaker B:And another common denominator was the.
Speaker B:The clients that were coming in also all played golf.
Speaker B:And, you know, the golf sickos, you tell.
Speaker B:You tell them to stand on their head and they're going to do it if it's going to make them better.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:People wanted to get back into golf.
Speaker B:And so they were.
Speaker B:The ones that were the most committed were the golfers.
Speaker B:And Justin Leonard was a client of Jeremy's at the time as well.
Speaker B:And, you know, explained to Jeremy that who is the golf sicko out there and that.
Speaker B:And we will do anything to get a yard or a stroke off our game.
Speaker B:So that's kind of how it started.
Speaker B:Was just trying to.
Speaker B:We were an app first.
Speaker B:We didn't have a fun little toy to go with it.
Speaker B:And it was just based on what you had at home.
Speaker B:And if you followed these protocols.
Speaker B:Hundreds and hundreds of people were avoiding the inevitable of back surgery by following his protocols of what's on our app.
Speaker B:And it's a simple assessment that you take and then you get placed.
Speaker B:Our algorithm places you in one of a hundred different possible programs.
Speaker B:Again, everybody has a fingerprint, everybody has different weaknesses.
Speaker B:And that's what our app provides is this custom program where, you know, if you want just an hour with, you know, some of the trainers that we have on our app, it's, you're looking at anywhere between 300 and $500 an hour.
Speaker B:I mean, Dr.
Speaker B:Troy and Jeremy, I mean, you can't even get, you can't even get them.
Speaker B:So you're getting access to some of the best trainers and doctors in the world, but you're getting this custom program that you can do conveniently anywhere at your home driving range, putting green literally anywhere.
Speaker B:So I like to say too, you know, we're a complementary program.
Speaker B:We're not here to take the jobs of fitness instructors or, you know, people are always like, oh, aren't you in competition with the stack and with the speed sticks?
Speaker B:And I'm like, we're completely different.
Speaker B:We're so different.
Speaker B:And it's just like a golf lesson.
Speaker B:You know, you go to, you got to go see someone in person, you know, to get a proper, full, you know, assessment and, and to have that person just double check and make sure if I'm doing this drill and I'm thinking my hands are here, maybe my hands are just here.
Speaker B:And that little centimeter can make a huge difference where you're not going to see it.
Speaker B:So you got to go and see a professional.
Speaker B:And we have certified instructors across the country.
Speaker B:We've got trainers across our country as well that follow the same protocols that we have in our system.
Speaker B:But you can't just go see that person once and then not go practice and do more work at home.
Speaker B:And it's the same thing.
Speaker B:Like I said, a golf lesson.
Speaker B:So we're not Scotty Scheffler, unfortunately, and can't have Dr.
Speaker B:Troy and Randy Smith and my whole team with me on the driving range 247 wherever I'm traveling.
Speaker B:But you can have your trainer there with you.
Speaker B:And following our really easy workouts on, you know, on our videos, they're super, super quick.
Speaker B:I mean, anywhere between 15 and like 30 minutes per workout.
Speaker B:It's just like a no brainer.
Speaker B:And I, we don't make crazy claims, but just feedback that we, we get from, from our customers.
Speaker B:I had a An instructor reach out last week that his student just started.
Speaker B:He did it three times in a week and increased his clubhead speed six and a half miles an hour just from unlocking a little bit more mobility and improving the balance portion of this person's golf swing.
Speaker B:Did that.
Speaker B:So it's not like this huge crazy commitment of like, I've got to do this seven days a week for the next six months before I'm going to see results.
Speaker B:I mean, if you right now are doing absolutely nothing and you just commit to three times a week with us, you're going to see some results pretty quickly.
Speaker B:And it's, it's going to make a huge difference.
Speaker B:You're not going to have to hit as many golf balls either because you're going to figure out your muscle memory is going to be able.
Speaker B:Like I said, I keep going back to holding position, the golf swing.
Speaker B:You're going to be able to do that a lot quicker when you're able to.
Speaker B:When you're strong enough to do that.
Speaker A:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:Nicole Hayes from Golf Forever.
Speaker A:Nicole, thank you.
Speaker A:First of all, tell people where they can find Derek everything that they need or website, etc.
Speaker B:For you can find our swing trainer bundle.
Speaker B:We have a bunch of sales coming up with the holiday.
Speaker B:Take advantage off forever.com.
Speaker B:you could take a, a quiz on there and, and get a the appropriate package for you based on the quiz, how you answer those questions for what you're looking for.
Speaker B:We're also on Amazon.
Speaker B:We're in 400 Dicks Golf Galaxy, PGA Superstore.
Speaker B:Carl's fine as well.
Speaker A:Very good, Nicole.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:All I'm saying is I think it's worth.
Speaker A:If you're listening to this and you're got some issues, I think it's worth giving it a try.
Speaker A:And I'm not getting paid for this.
Speaker A:I'm just saying because I'm just going to tell you from time to time about my own experience and it works.
Speaker A:So anyway, we got to get out of here.
Speaker A:Thank you everybody for listening.
Speaker A:Nicole, I hope you have.
Speaker A:Well, you're going to stick around for after hours, but I hope you have a great Thanksgiving and Christmas season.
Speaker B:You too.
Speaker A:I will, I will.
Speaker A:We'll be back next week.
Speaker A:Thanksgiving will happen before you hear my lovely voice again.
Speaker A:So have a great one, everybody.
Speaker A:And as we always say, go out, play some golf, have some fun and be kind.
Speaker A:Take care.
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